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Dori Boldt (209.240.222.131)
Posted on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 03:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I am looking for information of Amenemhet IV of the 12th Dynasty. I know he served for only 12 years,but beyond that I don't know what his accomplishments were in that short of time. Did he die a natural death or was he murdered? What was his age when he passed away? I read where his sister took his place for four years and then I read it was his wife. Which was it? Also are there any statues or pictures of him? I would appreciate any information anyone might have. Thank You....
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J.D. Degreef (213.177.158.44)
Posted on Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 08:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dori,
If you read French, I can scan you the relevant pages from VANDERSLEYEN's history of Egypt.

JD
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J.D. Degreef (213.177.158.44)
Posted on Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 08:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Here are also a few sites mentioning this king :
http://www.geocities.com/~amenhotep/kings/1207_amenemhat_iv/history.html
http://www.nymuseums.com/ (scroll down to mid page)
http://interoz.com/egypt/12dyn07.htm
http://www.brooklynart.org/visit/special_exhibitions/egypt/eternalegypt_008.html
http://www.thebritishmuseum.ac.uk/egyptian/ea/gall/ea59194.html
http://www.cartigli.it/Medio_Regno/XII_dinastia.htm (scroll down)
http://2terres.hautesavoie.net/pegypte/texte/pyralist.htm (scroll down to Maskhouna)
http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/texts/illahun/50.htm
http://userpages.umbc.edu/~csansu1/

JD
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Sarah (24.158.61.70)
Posted on Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 10:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Amenhetep's queen could have been his wife and sister because several kings married there sisters.
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Lucius (195.29.49.161)
Posted on Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 04:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Acctualy, most kings married their sisters! And their older daughters as well. This is, perhaps, a single thing which frightens me about AE culture.
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Sarah (24.158.61.70)
Posted on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 09:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That is kind of nasty isn't it. I thought they most the time did, but I wasn't sure.
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Lucius (195.29.129.161)
Posted on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 11:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yes, they did, and we can only guess what results did this produce! Sometimes I wonder about, for instance, kings like Menkaure, who was a son of a brother and sister (Khafre and Khamernebti) and Khafre could be a son of a father and a daughter (Khufu and Hentusen), while, finaly, Khufu could be also a son of a brother and (half?)sister, (Snofru and Hetepheres). These are one, two, three generations of inbreeding, an incredibly fertile grounds for various genetical defects of children (which is the reason why today marriage betwen closest relatives is fiercly prohibited), and indeed I wonder did kings from such dinasties suffer from certain invalidities, mental or physical, or did they suffer from the same type of disease for generations, hormonal disabilities, or stuff like that. On the other hand, in extremly rare cases, inbreeding can produce a supereb genetical mutation, and given that here we have generations of brothers marying their (half?)sisters (or daughters), perhaps some of these kings acctualy had extremly good physical characteristic, for instance, extremly long life-spans, resistance to certain diseases, etc.

But an Egyptian king with perhaps the best genetical structure known to this day was a son of a pharaoh and a commoner; this was Ramses the Great, son of Seti and Tuya. He lived for 90 years, a huge age even today, not to mention in those times (it was almost 3 times of an avarage lifespan), and up to his death he fought (and recovered from) a number of diseases, and managed to save most of his teeth.

best regards,
Lucius
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Sarah (24.158.61.70)
Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 09:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Wasn't Akenaten deformed. I wonder if inbreeding could have been the result of that. It sure does seen possible.
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leoboudv (207.194.174.146)
Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 04:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

According to the Turin Canon, Amenemhet IV(AIV) reigned exactly 9 Yrs, 3 Mths and 27 days. He did not reign for 12 years. According to Beckerath in a 1995 Orientalia paper on the Chronology of the 12th Dynasty Chronology, a Year 13 date was once erroneously ascribed to AIV. This Year 13 date has now been repudiated for AIV.

The Highest Attested date for AIV is a Year 9 Mining inscription date from the Sinai. Finally, if you look at a 1997 book by Kim Ryholt on the Second Intermediate Period, Ryholt gives clear evidence that AIV was never a son of Amenemhet III as was previously thought. The clearest evidence of this reality is that AIV never gives the title of "King's Wife" to his Mother on his own Monuments. Since AIV's Mother was not a Queen, AIV's parents were commoners. Instead, it wld appear that AIV was the chosen successor of AIII who did not have a son of his own to succeed him.

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