| Author | Message | ||
     Christina Harnett (205.254.147.8) |
hi. I heared this past weekend, that cleopatras remais had been found and that she weighed over 300 pounds. Does anyone know if this is true or not ? | ||
| Lorraine Bouman (209.226.107.24) |
I don't think Cleopatra's remains will ever be found as her palace and her mausoleum are now at the bottom of the sea. And if her "remains" were found, how would they tell us she weighed over 300 lbs, since it would be just her bones. That's a myth!! Someone is trying to pull your leg!! | ||
| Janine (66.26.43.93) |
Good thinking, Lorraine! -Meanwhile, it would be interesting to find her mausoleum. On the other hand, she was a very ingenius woman - and may have arranged to have her body interred in a secret place, where it could not be dug up later to be paraded through Rome. -By the way, there seems to be two strings on this. The other is just above this one. | ||
| charlaine (61.9.60.163) |
im searching for cleopatra's picture can anyone tell me where can i search | ||
| jd degreef (80.236.140.107) |
Charlaine, If you had provided a valid e-mail address, as you're supposed to do on this site, I'd have sent it to you... JD | ||
| James M. Vance (4.62.127.250) |
Where did you get your image, JD? It was my understanding, emphasized by Bob Bianchi in a recent lecture I heard, that images of Cleopatra VII were limited to her coins due to the ban on her statues decreed by Augustus. Bianchi aslo stated that a recent discovery, in Pompeii, of a woman in a fresco MAY be her, possible identification made by her hair-style and the diadem she was wearing--both of which, I understand, were used exclusively by Cleopatra VII. If it is her portrait, she was not a sex-goddess! Small, very petite, she had brown hair and brown eyes--in the fresco she is shown in her 30's, and signs of aging--a few wrinkles, a bit of sagging--are quite apparent. It would be a real find if it turns out to be her--Bianchi does state that there are very few images of her. In his opinion, the most famous, from the Vatican Museum collection, is a forgery. Interesting lecture... | ||
| jd degreef (80.236.140.203) |
James, The portrait head is in Berlin (Inv.1976.10) and if I remember well it comes from Mauretania (N. Africa), the king of this country (Juba) having married Cleopatra's daughter Cleopatra Selene (see : http://www.bible-history.com/cleoptra/). Other representations are sometimes mentioned, see here : http://www.purabudaya.com/News/Cleopatra/cleopatra.htm. There's also what's believed to be a mention written in her own handwriting on a decree, again in Berlin (genesqai, "let it be so", scandalously copied from Jean-Luc Picard). :-) JD | ||
| James M. Vance Senior Member Username: jmvance Post Number: 4 Registered: 09-2002 Posted From: 4.62.127.250 |
Just an interesting up-date on Cleopatra VII. A statue in the Hermitage, discoved in 1929 and up until this time identified as Arsinoe II has been re-identified as that of Cleopatra VII! Basis for the identification has been two things--the statue's headdress has 3 snakes instead of 2, a feature in every depiction we have of Cleopatra VII, 2 being the norm. Also, the statue has a very long nose, much more than contemporary statues. Evidently, Cleopatra VII was known for having a big nose! If it is Cleopatra VII, it joins the ranks of the few images, other than coins, that we have of her. Interesting article. If anyone else would like to read it, it is in the Press-Telegram of Long Beach, CA--the "U" section. I think they have a web-site, but I'm not sure of the address, sorry. | ||
| J.D. Degreef Senior Member Username: jd_degreef Post Number: 107 Registered: 02-2000 Posted From: 213.177.158.42 |
Interesting ! Thank you Jack ! Do they provide a picture ? And could you scan it for us ? JD | ||
| Janine Williams New member Username: janine Post Number: 49 Registered: 09-2002 Posted From: 66.26.228.164 |
James:Yes, I hope you can scan and post it too. It was mentioned earlier on another string a couple of days ago, (forgotten where) that a wall painting of Cleopatra VII and Caesarion was in Dendara. It would be interesting to compare them. This dumbfounds me...(why should we care?), but I want to know what she looked like, too. Janine | ||
| James M. Vance Senior Member Username: jmvance Post Number: 5 Registered: 09-2002 Posted From: 4.62.127.250 |
They have a picture, JD--but unfortunately, my scanner is on the friz! The Press-Telegram has a web site, tho. They (i'm sure) reproduced the picture there. I'm not sure of the URL tho. Try http://www.presstelegram.com and see if that works. The article was in the "U" section... Janine--I guess it really doesn't matter, but I too would like to know what she looked like. I'd like to see the picture you mention in Dendara. I am not familiar with that. It would be interesting indeed to compare that with the statue just identified. | ||
| J.D. Degreef Senior Member Username: jd_degreef Post Number: 110 Registered: 02-2000 Posted From: 80.236.150.69 |
Jack, Alas, the U section has changed and doesn't mention the Queen of Kings... A subject search with her name yields 0 results. JD | ||
| Janine Williams Junior Member Username: janine Post Number: 54 Registered: 09-2002 Posted From: 66.26.228.164 |
Found it!...In Google ,enter: "Hermitage Museum, statue of Arsinoe". (Not Cleopatra) See #1. "State Herm. Mus." For scientists jokes, see #4. "Sympatico.." Janine | ||
| J.D. Degreef Senior Member Username: jd_degreef Post Number: 115 Registered: 02-2000 Posted From: 213.177.133.64 |
Janine, What's the link yielded by your Google search ? JD | ||
| James M. Vance Senior Member Username: jmvance Post Number: 6 Registered: 09-2002 Posted From: 4.62.127.250 |
Jd, the link is http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/html_En/11/hm11_3_13.html It doesn't say anything about her nose, though. That's what I thought was so interesting in the article in the newspaper. Oh, and JD--my name is Jim and not Jack... | ||
| Su Bayfield New member Username: su_bayfield Post Number: 2 Registered: 10-2002 Posted From: 62.64.142.250 |
Here's a picture of Cleopatra VII on the rear exterior wall of Dendera Temple.  Su www.egyptsites.co.uk | ||
| James M. Vance Senior Member Username: jmvance Post Number: 7 Registered: 09-2002 Posted From: 4.62.127.250 |
JD, on the links above--an underscore is used between html En/11/hm11 3 13.html. You can't see it on the above--the whole link is underscored. Hope you can figure it out! | ||
| J.D. Degreef Senior Member Username: jd_degreef Post Number: 118 Registered: 02-2000 Posted From: 80.236.134.152 |
Jim, Sorry for the Jack... and thank you for the link. Beautiful statue ! JD | ||
| Janine Williams Junior Member Username: janine Post Number: 60 Registered: 09-2002 Posted From: 66.26.228.164 |
Su: Thankyou for posting Cleo. Janine | ||
| Su Bayfield New member Username: su_bayfield Post Number: 3 Registered: 10-2002 Posted From: 62.64.238.216 |
I've been looking for other images of Cleopatra and you're right there don't seem to be many - Arsinoe is much more common. The statue in The Hermitage is beautiful and there is a similar one in the Rosicrucian Museum in San Jose, California (1536). Another marble statue 61.8cm exists in the Metropolitan Museum of New York (89.2.660). There was an exhibition in London in 2001 called Cleopatra of Egypt for which the British Museum published a huge book of the same title, by Susan Walker & Peter Higgs (BM Press. ISBN 0-7141-1943-1). This is not really my period, but I bought the book, which is wonderful. Su http://www.egyptsites.co.uk | ||
| Janine Williams Member Username: janine Post Number: 107 Registered: 09-2002 Posted From: 66.26.228.164 |
Thankyou, Su - Anything about Cleopatra is interesting. One of the better books about her is, "The Life and Times of Cleopatra", by Arthur Weigall - at that time, Inspector General of Antiquities in Cairo. (Modern Biography Series, Paperback, Mercury Books, 1962) I found it either in the Thrift Shop or in a little bookshop that handles old or secondhand paperbacks. She did much more than sit around and look regal. Besides being well educated and speaking 7 languages, she helped neighboring queens and understood the political intrigues. Fascinating lady. (How does anyone master 7 languages?!) Janine |
