| Author | Message | ||
     Kelly (152.163.213.198) |
Does anyone know about Egyptians possibly renaming or crossing out names of certain people on their monuments or anything similar to that? I'd really appreciate any information that anyone can provide. . . | ||
| J.D. Degreef (213.177.133.36) |
Kelly, People's names could be crossed out once they were considered enemies of the state or of the king. Examples have recently been published by KANAWATI in the cemetery around the pyramid of king Teti in Saqqara. According to Manetho, this king was murdered by his bodyguards. His ephemeral successor Userkare may have been an usurper. When Pepy I then ascended the throne, he seems to have destroyed the names of certain people (e.g. certain people and not others figured in their father's tomb, if I remember well). The name of Teti occurs on a lintel, or at least in a piece of stone glued over a hacked out portion of the lintel. It may have replaced the name of Userkare, who we only know through the king lists and a 6th dyn. annal stone (the South Saqqara Stone). The phenomenon of destroying the cartouches of other kings and / or replacing them by others isn't rare during the New Kingdom. Thutmosis III was very young (only about 3 years old) when his father Thutmosis II died. This king's main wife, Hatshepsut, thus had to act as a regent. But for unknown reasons she soon adopted a complete royal titulary, so that there were in effect to parallel kings in Egypt (yet she didn't eliminate Thutmosis III, who appears at her side on the monuments built during the coregency). After year 21 she disappears. But astonishingly, about 20 years later Thutmosis III starts having her name, effigies and statues destroyed, and sometimes replaced by his own name or those of his father and grandfather Thutmosis II and I. During the 18th dyn., the names of a number of very important courtiers are destroyed, for example that of Thutmosis III's last southern vizier Rekhmire, under the reign of this king's successor Amenhotep II. At the end of the 18th dyn., Ay has himself crowned king instead of Tutankhamen's designated successor, Horemheb. When Horemheb finally becomes king, he has the tombs, names and effigies of Ay and his partisans destroyed, leaving those of Tutankhamen intact. But later during his reign, he has Tutankhamen's names replaced by his own. But he leaves the little king's tomb intact, which indicates an absence of true hostility. In the same manner, the 19th dyn. king Ramesses II will replace his beloved father Sethy I's names by his own. Thus there are two types of name destructions : -one motivated by hostility -one consisting of theologically actualizing a monument. JD | ||
| b.j.barnes (12.81.169.70) |
JD I though Hatshepsut was his daughter according to her writings in her temple. I thought she had referred to him as "my Father" . I know fathers married daughters, but didn't know she had been his great wife. Got to know if my memory is debunk here. I still have a lot to learn, that is why I keep reading b.j. | ||
| J.D. Degreef (213.177.133.34) |
b.j., Hatshepsut was the firstborn daughter of Aa-kheper-ka-Re Thutmosis I and of his Great King's Wife Ah-mes. Aa-kheper-en-Re Thutmosis II was the son of the same Thutmosis I and of a secondary queen Mut-nefert (a "king's daughter", probably of Amenhotep I). JD |
