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     Jon Bodsworth Member Username: jon_b Post Number: 150 Registered: 09-2002 Posted From: 195.92.168.177 |
A few questions that have occurred to me as I looked through some of my photos. Can anybody help with the following? I've identified this partial cartouche as one of the Tuthmosis's possibly the 3rd. But it doesn't look quite what I'd expect. Here's the whole scene: http://www.egyptarchive.co.uk/pix/670_2003.jpg And a detail: http://www.egyptarchive.co.uk/pix/670_section.jpg Can anybody confirm my identification of this stela as belonging to Nectanebo I? http://www.egyptarchive.co.uk/pix/094.jpg Here's a closeup that also shows an odd looking creature just above a Djed pillar with arms. Can anybody identify this strange symbol? http://www.egyptarchive.co.uk/pix/094_section.jpg And while we're on the subject of weird creatures, is there a correct term for this composite creature. Body of a lion, head of a hawk and horns of a ram: http://www.egyptarchive.co.uk/pix/683.jpg And finally another cartouche can anybody confirm my identification of this one as Psammetichus II? http://www.egyptarchive.co.uk/pix/aswan.jpg Jon B www.egyptarchive.co.uk | ||
| J.D. Degreef Senior Member Username: jd_degreef Post Number: 954 Registered: 02-2000 Posted From: 213.177.158.40 |
Hi Jon, The cartouche is that of Thutmosis II : Aa-kheper-en-Re, where the Red Crown has been used instead of the broken line to write the n. This is part of the reliefs of a forecourt built in front of the 4th pylon by Thutmosis II and Hatshepsut-queen. This court was surrounded by pillared galeries under Thutmosis IV. It's also thought to have originally contained chapels such as Amenhotep I's alabaster one, an alabaster one by Thutmosis IV, possibly also Sesostris I's Chapelle blanche and a copy of the same by Amenhotep I. And finally the obelisks of Thutmosis I, II and III. The courtyard, where the Apis run seems to have occurred (Chapelle rouge scene)}, had thus become so crowded that Amenhotep III, after having finished Thutmosis IV's galeries, decided to dismantle it and built a pylon in its place (third pylon). The monuments of the old court were used as filling for the 3d Pylon, where they were discovered by archaeologists and are now on display in the Open Air Museum, where you took the picture... The stela is indeed of Nectanebo I, who had the same njswt-bjtj name as Sesostris I (Kheper-ka-Re). The strange object you're pointing out is a basin with water, a symbol of Min, then of Amon, which was carried along during these gods' festivals. The link of Amon with water is well known (see green-blue color of the god's skin !). The leonine form of Horus which you present is interesting (it is parallelled by a leonine form of Seth on the opposite standard). These seem to be the primeval, fighting forms of the two gods. They're close to those other lions, sphinxes, and to the serpent-lions of the archaic monuments, IMHO. I don't know of a specific name for this form. The last cartouche (from Elephantine) is indeed that of Psammetichus II, no doubt carved when his army attacked the Nubian kingdom, which then had to move its capital from Napata to Meroe. JD | ||
| Jon Bodsworth Member Username: jon_b Post Number: 151 Registered: 09-2002 Posted From: 195.92.168.176 |
Thanks JD Informative and helpful as ever. I should have identified the Thutmosis piece as coming from the Open Air Museum. The leonine Horus is also at Karnak but not in the Open Air Museum. The Nectanebo stela is outside Cairo Museum though it isn't labelled at all. They are recent photos but I took the photo of the Psammetichus cartouche at Aswan over 20 years ago. I've been going through some of my very old photos which I didn't identify at the time so I'm trying to make sense of all sorts of things. Jon B www.egyptarchive.co.uk |
