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     Pete Vanderzwet Advanced Member Username: pete_vanderzwet Post Number: 3 Registered: 09-2002 Posted From: 216.221.81.99 |
From http://www.msnbc.com/news/825152.asp?0dm=-21ET&cp1=1#BODY ZAHI HAWASS said if the shafts stretching from a room inside the Great Pyramid of Cheops did not emerge on the surface, it would show that the passages lead to burial chambers hidden behind the doors, which might be probed from the inside “within one year.” “If they (the shafts) do appear from the outside, they are symbolic doors. If they don’t appear, they are not symbolic doors (and) there are burial chambers hidden,” Hawass told reporters. Could someone please explain the logic of this to me? Why do these shafts lead to a burial chamber just because they don't exit outside? According to Hawass, that would mean there are two more "burial chambers" inside the pyramid. Really, how on earth can he reach this conclusion? I personally can't see anything existing behind them but a slab of limestone. A burial chamber? I may not be aware of all the evidence, but I've not seen anything to even remotely suggest this. | ||
| Janine Williams Member Username: janine Post Number: 168 Registered: 09-2002 Posted From: 66.57.240.131 |
Interesting thought, Pete. There may be several cavities in the great pyramid that are yet unfound. Previous dynasties have all kinds of little cubby holes in them, although no religious/air-shafts. I don't see the logic of "no exit = secret chamber" either, but have to credit Zahi for knowing more than I do. If there is no chamber there,... well, wrong view, Zahi. (In Egypt, anyone can do this, - even Zahi.) Room or no room, I would be happy to see it safely explored...let's don't discourage him! When looking over the pyramid with field glasses from a nearby hill, Petrie spotted a hole on the 85th (?) course. He didn't have time to climb up there and investigate it...and I wonder if it ever HAS been investigated??? They found the exit to the King's Chamber only because a curious tourist dropped a rock into it, and it came clattering into the King's Chamber and startled other tourists. If they locate this hole (assuming they haven't already)...a rock dropped into it might fall anywhere, even into a closed chamber...which would need to be HEARD to identify. So...(amateur, here)...take along Aunt Gussie's 'hearing-aid' horn...tie a LONG length of strong, sheer fishing line to the rock (for retrieval or obstruction, and several tries), and see what develops? Paint the rock with irridescent paint, and take a sun-gun beam light. If necessary, use a child's Tonka clam-drop shovel to take some of the junk out of it. (Kids that move faster than you do, are an education.) Anybody ready to pack? Janine | ||
| michel michel New member Username: michel Post Number: 18 Registered: 09-2002 Posted From: 80.9.133.2  |
This is not some logic but it is an excellent argument to find enough money to finance this exploration. Zahi HAWASS succeeded. We must congratulate him and we must not criticize him. | ||
| Janine Williams Member Username: janine Post Number: 169 Registered: 09-2002 Posted From: 66.57.240.131 |
Couldn't agree more, Michel The correct quote on hole in the 85th course, from P&T of G by Petrie, p.71, is "I observed something like the mouth of a hole in the 85th course, on the South face, scanning it with a telescope from below, but I was hindered from examining it closely." | ||
| Ronnie Lyons Intermediate Member Username: ronlyons Post Number: 258 Registered: 01-2001 Posted From: 66.57.138.29 |
I think in the past, like Michel mentioned, Dr. Hawass has made several comments like this. I believe he does it to stir up interest, and like Michel said, get funding... remember when he said they were going to top the pyramd with a glass pyramidion, and he mentioned a gold one for the millineum celebrations? He's also made some wild statements about the Sphinx restorations before... gotta love him though. I think what it boils down to is, he's very passionate about ancient egypt, and sometimes his hopes are bigger than what's reality. I don't fault him for that. | ||
| Charlie Rigano Senior Member Username: charlie Post Number: 500 Registered: 06-1999 Posted From: 65.58.94.40 |
New secrets revealed over King Cheops "The three secret doors found inside the Cheops Pyramid will be the focal point of a symposium in which archaeologist Zahi Hawwas, Secretary General of the Supreme Council of Antiquities (SCA), will speak tonight in the Syrian Club in Alexandria at the invitation of the Lions Gharb club. Hawwas said that these doors hide the chamber of King Cheops, inside which the King's funerary furniture were placed." The preceeding was taken from a new release. This must be a misquote/misintreprtation. The whole idea makes no sense. Charlie | ||
| Jack Dean Member Username: jdean Post Number: 58 Registered: 08-1999 Posted From: 152.163.189.169 |
Hi Charlie, I just read this in the news letter that Larry forwards. I'm not sure what to make of it. Jack | ||
| Janine Williams Member Username: janine Post Number: 178 Registered: 09-2002 Posted From: 66.26.56.95 |
Anyone: No takers on the hole in the 85th course?... Has this already been located and explored? Janine | ||
| Joel Augustus Laird Junior Member Username: joel Post Number: 96 Registered: 07-2000 Posted From: 217.33.154.197 |
Janine, Rudolf Gantenbrink spent quite some time looking for an exit hole in the second 1992 campaign and also the 1993 campaign. He didn't find anything. It's possible that Petrie was mistaken. Joel | ||
| Janine Williams Member Username: janine Post Number: 179 Registered: 09-2002 Posted From: 66.26.56.95 |
Thankyou,Joel. So no one has located it yet?...unfortuante. Maybe somebody should scan from the bottom with a telescope... first, like Petrie did...or send up three people to walk the 84th, 85th & 86th courses. (Should be about 2 football fields in length, by then.) Petrie may have been mistaken on the course number. Petrie also said, "something like" a hole...(It might not have been.) However, in view of his comment and all the recent interest in unfound chambers, they should take the trouble for this... A careful telescope scan and having 3 courses walked... would either verify it or eliminate it. If one IS found, needless to say, it would be of universal interest! And, excavation from the exterior is not apt to destroy so much. Janine | ||
| Brent Benjamin Senior Member Username: brent Post Number: 31 Registered: 04-2000 Posted From: 12.4.169.51 |
Let's think about this seriously. I think most of us have a general idea of the size of Dynasty IV rooms and the weight deflection engineering used by the AE's to protect such rooms. Further, every room used in the burial had to have an access to the outside sufficiently large for ingress/egress. Such access passages required their methods of weight deflection engineering. Look at the space at issue and think about it in Dynasty IV terms. Dynasty IV AE's used false doors. The need for physical conduits was for physical movement. Sounds out-of-context, a misquote/misinterpretation (as Charlie said), or like an interest-grabber. | ||
| michel michel New member Username: michel Post Number: 19 Registered: 09-2002 Posted From: 193.250.255.174 |
Dear Janine The eighty-fifth level is situated between 65,90 and 66,70 meters, just in the alignment of the QC southern shaft. If the southern QC shaft was prolonged until the casing, its exit should be conceived like the one of KC shafts. Therefore, this exit should be easily observable. In an old discussion Rudolph GANTENBRINK says: "I examined this place meticulously and there is no exit here". I think nevertheless that a small hole (about 5x5 cm, just enough to insert a rope inside it) could be easily unobserved. If it is the case, this small hole should be near the KC shaft exit, above or below it. Michel |
