| Author | Message | ||
     Christian Koussiounelos New member Username: cck97 Post Number: 41 Registered: 09-2002 Posted From: 217.39.65.20 |
Just wondering if there's any news about when and if the exploration of the north shaft of the queen's chamber will be released for 'public scrutiny'. Does anyone know anything about this? It just seems that this has been kept 'under wraps' as it were for longer than it should have been, considering that the south shaft was opened live on international TV! If anyone has any info, please share! Thanks /ck | ||
| Christian Koussiounelos New member Username: cck97 Post Number: 42 Registered: 09-2002 Posted From: 217.39.65.20 |
Well... I guess there are no news then! | ||
| bernhard a. grundl Member Username: bernhard_grundl Post Number: 148 Registered: 09-2002 Posted From: 193.27.50.73 |
dear christian, sorry : no (official !) news. but i am sure that dr. hawass and esp. his pyramid- team are working ! the stressing focus of publicity had changed, and therefore they can more easily try to test and perform the (upcoming) new robot-attacks ! if i will find something out, i naturally inform you and the other members here ! i hope, that ANDREW ( master of this board ) can give us some discrete and diplomatic announcements !? i believe something will ( and must ) happen in the forthcoming spring this year ! best regards: bernhard | ||
| Paolo Scopa New member Username: explorer Post Number: 25 Registered: 10-2002 Posted From: 62.77.169.29 |
Bernhard, no news last spring, and summer is coming to an end... Still waiting for some news... Anybody? | ||
| bernhard a. grundl Senior Member Username: bernhard_grundl Post Number: 497 Registered: 09-2002 Posted From: 193.27.50.73 |
DEAR PAOLO, i have no official news, ( may be others have ) but this recent interview with dr. hawass (at the british museum/provided to us by "our" JON ) was interesting, for not to say "suspicious" ! as you know, the time of the beginning winter, winter and spring is the best time for field working archaeologists and egyptologists. ok, and dr. hawass announced some new activities in relation with the GP in the forthcoming months ! he mentioned not explicitly the QC-shafts (if i remember well ). after the last bad experience with this pushed up modern media oriented performance showing the nasa-robot penetrating the gantebrink-slab, and all other fresh and trendy shown activities, which resulted in a new title as "indiana jones" to dr. hawass. (dear ZAHI: not so fair: i know ! but on the other hand one have to understand the ten-thousands of interested persons worldwide, who spent their night by watching these totally commercialized - CNN-LIKE TV-EVENT - once more, i was totally disappointed ! ) ok, but now, it is a little bit too silent around the GP ! i say: too silent ! and this is what i find "suspicious" in a positive sense ! i guess, they do prepare a new shaft-attack ! very remarkable in this context is the intended radar scanning of the GP's surface ( in the region where the supposed chambers, passages or tunnels behind the slab could be exist ?? only some 8-10 m behind the pyramids surface !! this is about in the scanning range of low-frequency gprs. ) naturally dr.hawass and his teams this time will avoid any stressing publicity ! i believe, they have learned. dear Paolo, i believe, we must only wait some month ! ok: let's wait together ! best regards: Bernie | ||
| Paolo Scopa New member Username: explorer Post Number: 26 Registered: 10-2002 Posted From: 62.77.169.29 |
Bernie, I understand it will take a long time for further explorations (hopefully not another 10 years). However what I meant is: is there around any new report about the north shaft? This happened almost 1 year ago, and I find this a long time to come out with some more information than what we have seen (not much more than the image of the second Gantenbrink door). E.g., what is the object that we can see on Gantenbrink web site around the first bend, what is the layout of the north shaft etc. Paolo | ||
| bernhard a. grundl Senior Member Username: bernhard_grundl Post Number: 498 Registered: 09-2002 Posted From: 193.27.50.74 |
dear Paolo, the most detailed informations about the shafts you will find at gantenbrinks upaut page. but this is nothing new, and in the meantime ( since sept. 2002 ) nothing seemed to be happened. i can not imagine, that no additional efforts had been made since these late days of september 2002 ! as i mentioned above, i believe the ongoing research will be done under a full "top secret" atmosphere. the announced forthcoming activities (by dr. hawass) may give some evidence for another shaft-explorations. we must keep in mind, that the nasa-robot must eventually be reconstructed or modified to carry additional high-tech-equipment. or they have to construct another additional nasa-robot with a specific equipment to explore the space behind the stopping slabs at the end of the southern/northern shafts. beyond it they have to remove or eliminate these remaining rests of the flexible screwed iron rods in the northern QC-shaft, left by morton edgar in the 1920' years because of the shaft's bend characteristics curving around the grand gallery. and there is still another long (wooden?) rod in the this shaft, of unknow origin. (by morton edgar too ?) here from gantenbrink's page a picture of this problematic rod which stopped gantenbrinks upuaut-2 in 1993. (gantenbrink did not want to risk his robby in 1993, and then in sept 2002 the nasa-robot named pyramid rover finally crossed this obstacle ). look at: http://www.cheops.org/startpage/thefuture/future.htm and from bauval's site: http://www.robertbauval.com/articles/scsequel2.html at the moment, there are no exciting news regarding the real purpose of these shafts available. many theories of all kinds had been discussed in all egyptological foren worldwide. i by myself firstly considered the shafts as of a more technical oriented purpose, to assist solving the enormous engineering and constructing problems. but most of all the proposals i read were not really convincing me. now, i do believe more in shafts, constructed for the so called BA-bird, which can leave the deceased person and visit it again. this shaft must have have an open mouth to the air, must not be closed ! the shafts of the qc-chamber have be sealed, because of the qc chamber as the former (kings)-burial-chamber of the GP, built in its first constructing phase, smaller and with less slope, like the red pyramid. later the construction was changed, and pushed up, a very much higher pyramid, resulting in new problems ( see the so called relieving (?) chambers, and other troubles because of different stone-material used, and so on ... ). and in the new (finally) kings-chamber the shafts now had to remain open ("free flight for the BA-bird"), and had been cleared of the debris by gantenbrink and his team. another evidence: in old canaanite tombs we found the same small open shafts with the same 20x20cm size !. and here we have had a similar religious imagination of constructing such a shaft to supply the deceased with foods and to establish a free way to heaven AND back ! ( the dead person visited by being like a BA-bird ). ok, in context with these canaanite tombs i must again look at my literature at home ! look about the ba-bird from amarna-time tomb: ttp://www.osirisnet.net/tombes/nobles/amont/e_amont.htm and a ptolomaic-period ba-bird: http://maltergalleries.com/auction03/82/lot053.jpg best regards: Bernhard |
